tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post7259132151728728181..comments2024-03-28T06:54:57.473+02:00Comments on Kotzk Blog: 211) THE CHALLENGE OF MIDRASHIC AMPLIFICATION:Rabbi Gavin Michalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14410541880380752479noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-63786097248356529662019-10-28T20:50:00.385+02:002019-10-28T20:50:00.385+02:00I should have footnoted it when I wrote it. Apolog...I should have footnoted it when I wrote it. Apologies by I cant recall. Please let me know if you find it.Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-48147642970143074992019-10-28T19:58:28.653+02:002019-10-28T19:58:28.653+02:00I'm trying to hunt down that R' Hirsch. I...I'm trying to hunt down that R' Hirsch. I used to have a photocopy of it and misplaced it. I'd like to see it inside. Do you know which book it's in?arijesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04054624664476807741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-28547138012992193322019-03-19T08:45:21.903+02:002019-03-19T08:45:21.903+02:00Thank you Unknown. You do make a valid point and n...Thank you Unknown. You do make a valid point and no one can argue that many (most?) do subscribe to that view.<br /><br />R. Nachman of Breslov takes it even further by essentially saying that it is good to believe in all things because then the faculty of emunah will never run the risk of being corrupted.<br /><br />There is the opposing view (in Rambam if I'm not mistaken) - that emunah is so precious that it should not be wasted on anything other that what we are absolutely required to believe in by the Torah, and that anything more than that begins to border on the superstitious. This way emunah is kept holy and pure almost like the relationship between husband and wife, devoid of any extraneous affairs.<br /><br />Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-66232770539590743172019-03-19T06:11:06.105+02:002019-03-19T06:11:06.105+02:00I explained to Leah that the... Midrash is there t...I explained to Leah that the... Midrash is there to point to the story behind the story. In my opinion, the seemingly miraculous extension of Paroh’s daughter’s arm is directing us to another idea - the great difficulty that she must have faced saving the life of a Jewish baby...????????!<br />Rachmana Litzlan!!<br />its one thing to quote rishonim and geonim that opine that medrashim arent to be taken lit. but its another thing entirely to supply some modern 21st century pedegogery to maamarey chazal!<br />also i never understood why people are so obsessed with all the rishonim that didnt understand chazal lit. you are still going to have to live with the fact that there are many rishonim that do take it lit. and that according to everyone there are many miracles that cant be explained away, so what are you gaining? how are you going to protect leah from the makkos and yetzias mitzrayim and yericho and chanuka?<br />anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15261164106931797948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-81500380849920460012019-01-29T16:54:56.026+02:002019-01-29T16:54:56.026+02:00Hey,
Would you consider questioning the strength ...Hey,<br /><br />Would you consider questioning the strength of HaShem’s name used to bring up Yosef’s bones a logical fallacy? How about questioning Batya’s miraculous arm extension during a period of countless miracles? Is necromancy itself too hard to believe? Do you tend to resort to it being explained as illusionary?<br />Would be wise to add those rishonim that agree with the Ramban. <br />I’m of the opinion of the ramchal as he would usually be the opinion of the Arizal who would probably follow the Ramban on these types of matters. <br /><br />ThanksYisrael Ben Eliezerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04143882139924911045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-4729502390501539552019-01-29T10:13:59.432+02:002019-01-29T10:13:59.432+02:00Even the Torah stories that have the signature of ...Even the Torah stories that have the signature of truth are not true in the historical sense.madaralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12464817724312275528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-12397357340940663942019-01-28T18:48:23.658+02:002019-01-28T18:48:23.658+02:00Later on in the same text, Rambam (or the forger) ...Later on in the same text, Rambam (or the forger) explicitly states: " Especially keep yourself away from the words of most of the books by the people of Tzarfat, Francia..." Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-1451263269829503472019-01-28T17:53:40.108+02:002019-01-28T17:53:40.108+02:00Your'e absolutely right Unknown. However viewi...Your'e absolutely right Unknown. However viewing the ensuing conflict between the kabbalists and Rambam, and the apparent promoting of Rashi's commentary by the Tosafists (who were to a large extent Kabbalists - see Mystical Forrays of the Tosafists [post 180]) - also the possibility of Rashi being a corporealist [Hakira journal has two opposing articles on this] and the Rambam anti-corporeal -it is probable that Rambam (or the forger) was referring to Rashi. But I agree it is not conclusive.<br />Even if the letter is a forgery, a good forgery is still useful because it speaks to the actual tensions and conflicts at the time otherwise it would never be taken seriously.<br />Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-78078139952441988742019-01-28T09:34:55.915+02:002019-01-28T09:34:55.915+02:00OK, after a little fight with myself, I decided to...OK, after a little fight with myself, I decided to comment. I love the blog.<br />Now, yes I dont believe the Batya midrash. I just dont. BUT here is the thing... I do believe that Yosef bones went up the Nile after Moses throw a golden piece where was written a name of Hashem. <br /><br />The thing is this... how can we say that when we were leaving Egypt there was not this kind of Miracles? Yosef bones..etc. If we dont believe in this, then how can we believe in the kodesh hakodashim miracles, beit hamikdash,etc etc. <br />I kind of agree with the Geonim, that some were true and some not and the intelling person will chose correctly.<br /><br />I would love to hear everyone opinion.<br />shabua tov!JONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839337399122606704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-67041599251569543982019-01-28T08:06:11.967+02:002019-01-28T08:06:11.967+02:00Sefer Ginzei Nistarot, vol 4. p.64Sefer Ginzei Nistarot, vol 4. p.64Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-70703848021942742132019-01-28T07:24:55.551+02:002019-01-28T07:24:55.551+02:00i looked it up. even if it were not a forgery, the...i looked it up. even if it were not a forgery, there is no negation of rashi ,in any case, just praise for ibn ezra. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910490237869895518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-44959246965323898392019-01-28T06:20:14.653+02:002019-01-28T06:20:14.653+02:00Thank you for those references.Thank you for those references.Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-85153862402597901742019-01-27T23:51:50.316+02:002019-01-27T23:51:50.316+02:00How can this be? What about the Perush of Raschbam...How can this be? What about the Perush of Raschbam or Daat Zekenim? By the way who is this Tamas Visi and what are his sources? Mendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653049385048148537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-43635383235174704452019-01-27T21:16:53.682+02:002019-01-27T21:16:53.682+02:00Interestingly Visi Continues:"[The Tosafists ...Interestingly Visi Continues:"[The Tosafists made a declaration] in 1230 that forbade anyone from relying on anybody's authority in biblical exegesis except Rashi's under threat of excommunication."Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-89950287989521121902019-01-27T20:53:42.819+02:002019-01-27T20:53:42.819+02:00Thanks, for pointing that out, R Igor. According t...Thanks, for pointing that out, R Igor. According to Tamas Visi: "We see that the anti Miamonidean camp canonised Rashi's commentary in a similar way during the controversies during the 1230s."<br />He also does say, as you point out, "...in a probably forged document, in Miamonides' supposed 'ethical will'to his son..."<br /><br />Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-10440965662248172982019-01-27T20:31:03.980+02:002019-01-27T20:31:03.980+02:00My source is from R. Yehuda Leon Mosconi's sup...My source is from R. Yehuda Leon Mosconi's supercommentary to Ibn Ezra. [Ms London, Montefiore Library, 49, fol 3v (2v): <br />"...And now, my son, believe me, for I command you not to bother your intellect with the [study] of other commentaries, for he [Avraham Ibn Ezra] was like [the biblical Avraham in his age. Whatever you read of his words, meditate over it with subtle meditation."<br /><br /><br /><br />Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-33844182993097673182019-01-27T20:21:15.460+02:002019-01-27T20:21:15.460+02:00It's written in a letter of Rambam which is a ...It's written in a letter of Rambam which is a forgery. Look at the Shailat edition of Rambams letters on page 698. Mendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653049385048148537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-22830233835580291992019-01-27T20:15:52.307+02:002019-01-27T20:15:52.307+02:00According to this article (found at: http://www.ha...According to this article (found at: http://www.hashkafacircle.com/journal/R2_DS_aggada.pdf on page 24) Rabbis Shlomo Min Ha-Har, Yosef ben Todros and possibly Rabbeinu Yonah all held that midrashim should be takem literally. on the next page he brings one of the ba'alei tosafos, Rabbi Moshe ben Chasdai Taku, who actually wrote a sefer called katav tamim against rav saadiah gaon and the rambams view on not taking midrashim literally (he goes so far to call SG an ignoramus apparently). <br />this article (http://hakirah.org/Vol%204%20Eisen.pdf on page 25) also brings rabbi shimshon from sens, another of the ba'alei tosafos, who also holds like the above.<br />finally, this post (http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/03/hazon-ish-and-understanding-aggadah.html) discusses whether or not the chazon ish allowed for non-literal interpretation of midrashim Michahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16357168509661113724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-41089911300845160592019-01-27T15:04:06.891+02:002019-01-27T15:04:06.891+02:00Perhaps this was why Rambam encouraged his son, Av...Perhaps this was why Rambam encouraged his son, Avraham ben haRambam, to study Chumash with Ibn Ezra and not with Rashi?<br /><br />do you have a source for the last 4 words?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910490237869895518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-82973931215194257312019-01-27T14:13:23.436+02:002019-01-27T14:13:23.436+02:00Very good article. But on one point I disagree. Ra...Very good article. But on one point I disagree. Rambam nwver told his son to read Ibn Ezra. There is a letter by Rambam which says so but without any doubt this letter is a forgery. But of course it's very good to read the Ibn Ezra. Mendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653049385048148537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-80022881333418501362019-01-27T11:49:37.731+02:002019-01-27T11:49:37.731+02:00"A philosophy of nonsense"- Kierkegaard"A philosophy of nonsense"- KierkegaardApikoroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16405572152256755776noreply@blogger.com