tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post210428215352890331..comments2024-03-29T15:13:35.193+02:00Comments on Kotzk Blog: 118) 'CHEMDAT YAMIM' - THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL BOOK EVER?Rabbi Gavin Michalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14410541880380752479noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-66196157312219620542019-10-30T20:05:11.893+02:002019-10-30T20:05:11.893+02:00Thank you. It is such a neglected (for obvious rea...Thank you. It is such a neglected (for obvious reasons) but critical chapter of our history. <br /><br />I too have some suspicions as to the origins of the nistarim, considering that the world was teeming with secret Sabbatean cells at that time. <br /><br />Many were known to disguise their affiliations by emphasizing their commitment to Halacha. <br /><br />It is hard to imagine that a world where possibly half of the Jewish population including many respected rabbis believed SZ to be Mashiach suddenly disintegrated into nothing in such a short span of time.Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-29336602374295103412019-10-30T19:46:50.515+02:002019-10-30T19:46:50.515+02:00hi thank you for your response, sources concerning...hi thank you for your response, sources concerning which particular part of the comment?<br />concerning lesson רז of L"M : Any older books will have the rashe tevot rather than the words as reminded above, the interpretation of the text is my own perception.<br />concerning the name of the son of besht it is known it is Tvi<br />Concerning the ketubah : so i heard, have not verified<br />Concerning the fact that right after shabtai tvi many children born to the chassidim where named tvi: its a simple to verify fact<br />Concerning that shatz may be a descendent: just a hypothesis for now with no sources other than wondering where he came from, and who are really the nistarim.<br /><br />as for the ramhal it is interesting to note that one of his most popular playes is migdal oz which was the name they gave to amira's prison. and also in the ramhal's responsa to his rav, R. Bassan in Tzivot Hashem i also find the play on words of title ambiguous. as well as many passages which again may be interpreted eather way yes shabataist or not. I had a long 1 on 1 conversation with the Rav of the ramhal center in Jerusalem about this very subject and he entirely disagreed with me concerning my thoughts that ramhal was a shabataist. I actually like rav Falajis statement that we do not speak about maters concerning shatz<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847163336397139588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-20745251783355912632019-10-30T09:25:03.378+02:002019-10-30T09:25:03.378+02:00Would you mind sending me sources for your very in...Would you mind sending me sources for your very interesting comments. I am researching this idea and any additional information would be appreciated. I do not believe the Besht was a secret Sabbatean but I do believe he was influenced by the very successful model of SZ bringing Kabbalah to the masses - and he wanted to present something similar in a 'rectified' way. That is why (as we see in the Cherson letters) a frantic obsession with hiding the (unnamed) writings - a mere 2 decades or so after SZ.Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-4023937273852782642019-10-30T09:14:01.111+02:002019-10-30T09:14:01.111+02:00Thank you. You may find this of interest:
http:/...Thank you. You may find this of interest: <br /><br />http://kotzkblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/sefer-hatzoref-were-these-secret.html, Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-70694397252387520362019-10-30T05:47:10.396+02:002019-10-30T05:47:10.396+02:00Thank you for the time and dedication you invest i...Thank you for the time and dedication you invest in gathering and writing the tremendous information you so kindly share, it is with great appreciation and delight that i read through these precious documents. <br /><br />concerning: “Sabbatai Tzvi - cursed be his name - led astray a number of the greatest men of the generation and outstanding scholars . . . they left the fold and spoke evil regarding the Oral Law . . . but when a Tsadik sweetens their words, he transforms their sayings back into Torah.” which you quote from likutey moharan 207 , it may be worthy to note that 207 is רז (mystery/secret), and since the original publications of L"M did not write imahshemo (nor shabtai tzvi) rather ש’ץ and ימ’ש which could easily read as shaliah tzibur the messenger of the people( in reference to shabtai tzvi of course) and ימ’ש imloch shemo, his name will reign also in my opinion the tzadik and the haham hador are perhaps not who we suppose, and it is the tzadik who is the beholder of the oral tradition and many more details in which i clearly understand the text in a different view. after delving into parparot lachochma there is no comment about torah ר’ז ....something to consider.... and also ימש spell shemi backwards ... and also i find it very surprising that the baal shemtov would call his first son tzvi ... it would be something like a jew calling his son hitler after the shoah lehavdil alfe avdalot and also the amount of shabtai's ..... as i said just a thought .... im not sure we have the story straight at all, and this includes the origins of the besh"t who may very well be a descendant of shabtai tzvi since his ketuba only mentions the name of his parents ( very very bizzar in jewish tradition!!)...<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847163336397139588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-54179694665830728822019-02-22T02:29:46.632+02:002019-02-22T02:29:46.632+02:00Reb yehudah Pitai the greatest talmid of ben ish c...Reb yehudah Pitai the greatest talmid of ben ish chai is the author of Ruchois Misaprois <br />a compilation of his episioded with dibbuk removakls and a holy Holy zadik <br />yes i believe in the torah and its chachamimGreater Monsey https://www.blogger.com/profile/15889394924862598871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-9074937849818745362019-01-31T03:48:06.061+02:002019-01-31T03:48:06.061+02:00Reb GM
If you believe that gilgul / dibbuk nonsens...Reb GM<br />If you believe that gilgul / dibbuk nonsense, do you also believe in Santa Claus?Rebzevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795447737695471433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-50957107601062185152018-11-02T00:18:15.028+02:002018-11-02T00:18:15.028+02:00Its on Page 120 ruchois Misapros by rav Yehudah P...Its on Page 120 ruchois Misapros by rav Yehudah Pitia.Greater Monsey https://www.blogger.com/profile/15889394924862598871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-56610603702203124392018-11-01T06:22:12.833+02:002018-11-01T06:22:12.833+02:00Tank you for that fascinating comment.Tank you for that fascinating comment.Kotzk Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249905502266813412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-66016126728646396152018-10-31T19:28:07.030+02:002018-10-31T19:28:07.030+02:00See the sefer Ruchois Misarois from Reb Yehuda Pit...See the sefer Ruchois Misarois from Reb Yehuda Pitai ( who himself was a Gilgul of the Node Beyehuda) he talks of a dybbuk in 1904 saying that he is a Gielgud of Nason of Giza<br />and he became a tikun ... see there for the rest <br />Therefore some hold that today its OK to learn from this unbelievable heavenly sefer.Greater Monsey https://www.blogger.com/profile/15889394924862598871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5576585332526677688.post-33025166800345947262018-10-30T01:56:48.095+02:002018-10-30T01:56:48.095+02:00The sefer mentions Meoirois nasan svivos uzoi seve...The sefer mentions Meoirois nasan svivos uzoi seven times in a unusual contexts<br />which seems to support the Nason Of gaza ideaGreater Monsey https://www.blogger.com/profile/15889394924862598871noreply@blogger.com